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DES HAVE SENT DREW HOME? IS CHRIS THE RIGHT MAN
OR WAS IT A REBOUND FROM BROOKS??
I had a great Interview with “The Bachelorette” Host, Chris Harrison about Brooks breaking up with Desiree, as she desperately professed her love
Desiree Hartsock chased Brooks Forester, the guy she couldn’t have, not Chris Siegfried and Drew Kenney who each told her they were in love with her — it was typical
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Q: How unexpected was Brooks last minute break up with Desiree compared to other Bachelor moments.
Chris Harrison: I was thinking about that the other day like when Frank left Ali. it didn’t really mean to have the same weight I guess because you know we all kind of know Roberto wasprobably the top choice at that point. I mean it was upsetting to herbut it definitely didn’thave the devastating effects that Brooks had. I don’t know if you can compare the Molly and Jason and Melissa. I heard some people bring that up. I think “Good Morning America” did something onthat but then you really didn’t know Jason and Melissa actually were engaged and they datedfor quite some time. So you know I think it’s kind of a one of a kind situation I can’t really rememberin 11 years anything happening this late in the game and being this devastating to our bachelor, bachelorette.Q: What do you think about Desiree feeling it’s over, because Brooks doesn’t love her while Drew and Chris both still feel that she loves them? Chris Harrison: Sure. Obviously you have the right to feel however you want heading into this. I do think she felt Brooks would be the guy and obviously would need to pull himself out you know it crushed her and the interesting part too is that you
know Drew and Chris have no idea that any of this went down. And that’s part of the problem we have to solve in the finale on
Monday is that you know we keep them separated usually for good reasons, positive reasons at this point. Because we just want it
to be about them dating and then getting to that ultimate you know happy proposal. We’ve kind of never run into a problem
where now we have these two happy guys that have no idea that the bachelorette just had her world rocked.
Q: Do you think knowing how Desiree loved him would that have changed Brooks’ actions?
Chris Harrison I think Brook’s mind was made up. His mind you could kind of tell his mind was made up when he went to see his parents and
And was really he was literally just looking for reassurance and then you know kind of the same thing when I walked in. He did a really good job
of trying to be a good guy during the breakup and that’s just impossible. You know nobody you know we’ve all been there where you’ve had to break
up with somebody or you’ve been broken up with. And there’s nothing you can say or do t hat makes you look cool or makes you look
good at that moment because you’re breaking someone’s heart. But I think he just kept trying to be a good guy because he cares for Des.
You know the fact that he left the show doesn’t mean he dislikes Des or hates her. He really cared about her maybe even loved her to a certain
degree he just knew that he wasn’t at the point where he wanted to be with this woman. And so I think he was really trying to be a good guy,
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Now that Des told Brooks she loved him during Monday night’s episode,would Des be settling by picking one of the remaining men?
Chris Harrison: I absolutely understand that perspective especially considering what we all just saw and what we’ve seen in the last couple of weeks.
So I get that, but the fact that you know there are these two other guys here that A have no idea and B they’re head over heels in love with her and
I guess if there’s a
C to this it’s that Des needs to figure out what this means where she is and where she wants to go from here. f she just wants to pack up her bags and
be done with this or if she’s going to continue on. But I fully understand everyone’s perspective, but you also have to kind of watch the rest to see how it
Q: Obviously by this point you must be feeling very close to Des and quite protective of her, were you upset with Brooks?
Chris Harrison: No, I wasn’t before I talked to him you know I usually probably could have been. But after I talked to him he’s not a bad guy you
know he didn’t do this with you know malice or ill intent. He didn’t come on here to you know screw her over and be the bad guy. He was very sincere
and very sweet and when I talked to him you could tell that he was torn about this. And he had really done his you know due diligence and he had
thought this out talked to his family. And just made sure that you know this wasn’t right for him. I would have been disappointed and more upset
with him if he had gone through with all of this and then she picked him. And he has this fake proposal and they just kind of go out for a few weeks
and it doesn’t mean anything and he breaks up. Like I would have been disappointed with that guy, you know it kind of takes me back to
(Brad Womack) when people were so upsetwith him for turning down both girls. You know it was Deanna and I forget her name who’s the other girl,
I want to say Kelly but that’s not it. Anyway
when Brad turned down both girls at the end you know everybody was outraged. Then I thought you know why is there such a bad thing if he’s not in
love what would be what would people be happier with a fake proposal. So I thought he did the right thing, so I thought Brooks did the right thing it
just sucks to have to do that on national television. Yes that makes sense. And also next week we’ll see you speaking with Des about her feelings.
How did you approach that conversation were you trying to persuade her to stay?
Chris Harrison: So you know the great thing about my job especially now how it’s evolved is you know I am not necessarily the impartial judge or
referee or even a host, I just went in honestly as a friend. And you know the cameras were rolling and I knew they were there but I really just went in.
Because she needed to talk to somebody and just listened to her and that was a lot of what I did was just sit and listen. Kind of like what I did with
Brooks and let her tell me where she was. And then you know I asked a few questions and kind of let her guide me through what she wanted to do.
Chris Harrison: But it was really just an empathetic figure that was kind of there for her. And that kind of the beauty of my job is you know I can be
that I don’t have be impartial I can care about Her and care about how everybody is doing.
Q: Was their a fear on your part and the producers part that she would actually walk out and leave the show?
Chris Harrison: Oh absolutely I mean I knew after I left Brooks obviously that what we was going to do. And you know the first thing I said you know
to the producers when I walked out of his I said you know w e might be done, you know we might not have anything to show in the final episode. Other
than the fact that you know we have to play this out. And you know there are still a lot of questions out there and it still may not be much of anything next
week other than her saying goodbye and having to talk to the other two guys. But that was definitely a fear but you know that’s what? It’s part of the
beauty of our show is and part of the scariest thing of our show as far as the producer goes is at the end we have kind of have to take our hands off the
wheel. And it’s really after all this work all this preparation it’s really up to free will and it’s up to a woman or a guy making a choice. And that’s a scary
thing as a producer no matter you know what show whether it’s you know Idol or Survivor or whatever those were kind of game shows they have a
beginning and an end. Our show really at the end is pretty wide open.
Q: And what can you tell me about Desiree’s state of mind right now you know two months after Brooks walked out.
Chris Harrison: I mean the last time I saw her it was at the “Tell All” a couple of weeks ago. And you know she’s good. The great thing about
Des and I am assuming this comes from her background and the way she grew up. Is that she’s a survivor and she’s strong. When we started this
thing she said look I am going to allow myself to be very vulnerable. And I said you know there’s a good chance you could get hurt like that. She says
I know but that’s the only way you can do this. And I was proud of the fact that that’s how she went through it the entire time of just really put herself out there.
And unfortunately you know she did get hurt and she got hurt bad but she has incredible resolve and she’s a strong woman. So you know she’s
bounced back and she seemed happy. Q: You are a friend, but also the host and can you talk about how it was for you? did you feel torn between
What worked for Des and what worked for the show?
Chris Harrison: If I guess you know yes and no you know when I heard about it. I think y my first thought I think this was for as Des’s friend
and I thought this was going to suck and this was going to be brutal. Because at this point you know ratings wise and drama wise you know usually
we’re done and we’re really just trying to set up this really great happy ending and hopefully what would be a magic proposal and that’s going to be good enough.
You know a great proposal and ending you know like Catherine and Shaun that will give us great ratings. This, this was a little bit of a curve ball
that was more of of a hindrance and more of a pain for us as producers than the thought of this is going to be great drama. Just because we were kind
of in that home stretch and thought you know we this was going to be a great season with a great ending and we’re home free and then the entire
show was kind of dumped upside down in the final two weeks of shooting.
Q: Going back to the point where Des tells Brooks that she loves him and he said why didn’t you tell me this earlier and she says I can’t can you
talk about that a bit because the whole goal is for the bachelorette to find love, but at the same time she’s encouraged not to say her feelings or
she’s not allowed to say her feelings.
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Chris Harrison: I guess a little bit of both you know. But I think that was a little bit of a defense mechanism for Brooks and a little bit of a cop
out if you will. You know I think anybody could have seen that Des was falling for this guy and you know Brooks had been around her enough to know unless
he completely misread every signal she had ever put out. It was pretty simple to see she was falling for him, they even made up those silly whatever
verbs they thought they were adjectives they were really verbs. That described their love. she said I am running and I am close to the finish line or
whatever. So I think again that was Brooks wanted to come off as a good guy in front of everybody during the breakup. I really don’t think it would
have made any difference whatsoever if she had been on one knee begging for his hand in marriage three weeks ago.
Q: how did you feel when Des told you that she loved Brooks pretty early on in this season. I am wondering if that’s kind of common for the
contestant to reveal so early on in the game and you guys let that appear on camera too. Did you think that would bode well that she was already admitting love.
Chris Harrison: You know it’s funny too though you know we did do that early but you know in the next sentence she also said she loves Chris.
And then in the next sentence you know I don’t think she used, she actually used the L word with Drew but she said she was like falling for him or
falling in love or whatever. But it is funny how everyone really picked up the Brooks thing and then they kind of just forgot about Chris and then
forgot about Drew. But you know I guess it was just the way she spoke about it or maybe the fact that he was first.
Chris Harrison: But it was at the time I think it was in Munich when we showed that when we were in Germany the next day I was a bit
surprised that people forgot about the next three sentences she said about the other guys and everyone just kind of forgot about that. we, you know
we knew what had had happened too and we kind of knew this was coming. And so that way we kind of needed to set up the fact that’s how she felt
about Brooks beforewe got to this point. if there was really no context once we got to this point you really wouldn’t understand why she was so upset.
Q: what doyou attribute his decision to call everything off to? is it perhaps the pressure of having to propose at the end of the show is that too much
for some guys?
Chris Harrison: I don’t, you know I don’t know I mean I think it was two separate questions there. I am not sure what Brook’s issues were or
are. They could be as simple as Des isn’t the one or the fact that I think he has a history of not quite being able to commit. I am not sure where that
stems from whether his childhood or what’s happened in his life, but I can’t, I don’t know I really couldn’t pinpoint that and he had a really tough time
articulating to me what he was thinking and what he wanted to do and I found that very peculiar. You know I kept almost having to treat him like a
hostile witness on the stand.
Chris Harrison: I didn’t mean to beat him up, but I honestly for the life of me I could not understand what the heck he was trying to say to me
and I thought my God if he’s going to act like this with me how bad is he going to be with Des?
Chris Harrison: And so and I really thought maybe he didn’t want to leave maybe he just needs more time. And the pressure of proposing or
I wanted to make it clear that there is no pressure and if he needs more time if we need to extend this or they want to whatever. There’s a ton of
options beyond hey there’ s a proposal next week. So if that’s the problem let’s work on that if you really care about her and there’s still a shot.
if we want to play psychiatrist it probably goes to a deeper issue somewhere.
Chris Harrison: Because he also had that same problem with Des I mean honestly for the first 10 minutes of that talk with Des If you had
stopped I think Des would have thought he might be about to propose to me, that’s how odd that breakup was. He spent 10 minutes telling her how
much he loved her and how great she was and oh by the way I am breaking up with you and so I just found it all a little peculiar.
Q: I am a dead inside jaded journalist and it was brutal to watch her on Monday night. How long did that kind of crime don’t come near me cameras
from afar episode go?
Chris Harrison: after, so Brooks and her set up there for quite some time and talked and then they walked off. We were obviously on the beach
kind of tucked away. And then she you know afterwards kind of walked out there to kind of have alone time. And we let her sit for I mean I am
guessing probably a good 10 minutes, 10, 15 minutes to kind of just sit out there and be alone. And then I did go out there and I talked to her but
you know we were going to show that but we, you know we stopped this episode there. I think where we’ll pick up though is where you’ll see Des and I
speaking you back at her house, because we had another chat. she just needed time to decompress and figure out what just happened and figure out
where she is. Give her a little time to pull herself back together and then we had a chat back at her, back at her place. Where we had to kind of decide
where we go from here and what we want to do and oh by the way there’s Chris and Drew what do we do with them? They know nothing about this
and how should they find out and so there we were you know a lot of questions that we kind of needed to deal with, but that wasn’t the time or place
to hammer her with all of that after what had just happened.
Q: The guys in the house talked about how differently she acted around Drew and knew she had feelings for him That she didn’t have for the other bachelors.
Chris Harrison: I knew there were red flags, warning signs that you know something was amiss and something was a little off when I would talk
to her. I am trying to think wait if I even brought it up in Munich or probably in Barcelona I was trying to think there like Chris and Drew and Zach professed their love, but at some point all of the final four had professed their love and then I said well what about Brooks and she said no he didn’t. I just kind of kept
bringing that up and she kept really reassuring me that he had affirmed his feelings in other ways non-verbally and she just felt sure about him.
while I knew there were red flags and there were warning signs in no way did I think this was going to happen. I don’t think anybody saw this coming.
I kind of took her word for it that she was pretty sure about him and as you know nothing led us or I think any other producers to think that this guy
was you know going to really just do a 180 and bolt, but there were definitely signs along the way that she was much further along than he was, and
much easier at expressing her feelings than he was. I mean we even showed it in our last episode when they were making up those verbs that he said
jogging at the same time she said running. Just the fact that by the way they needed that kind of silly game to even express their feelings at this point
in their life is a red flag to me. I mean as a grown adult if you can’t say can’t look a woman or look a man in the eye and say I have serious feelings for you. Then instead you
need to say do you like me check yes or no like we’re in grade school. That to me is a red flag of immaturity as far as a relationship goes When you look at Chris and Drew
they have no problem expressing their feelings whether it’s to pull in the song or anything else. Brooks is really struggling with that and again I don’t
know if it’s because he ha ddeeper issues, but there’s definitely issues there to be shared.
Q: how normal is it for these guys at this point to go back to their family? We don’t usually see that.
Chris Harrison: What happened was so this you know after the hometown dates the guys are still in their Hometowns and the hometown
dates are spread out over the week obviously, because you know Des has to fly into different cities. Then the guys will stay where they are for just a
little bit longer until it’s time to fly in to the next city here it was Antigua or wherever our exotic dates are. So we don’t all travel at the same time and
so a couple of the guys were already in Antigua and they were having their dates, but Brooks was still home and so it really just lent itself to the fact
that he was already there and our cameras were still there that’s why we were able to capture that and set that up. And the other thing is typically
the guys know how they feel at this point. They’ve just seen their families and they’ve just
had that talk some of it’s off camera and some of it’s on, but o they were at the hometown and they get some time to speak to their families and so
they’re pretty sure about how, how they feel and what they’re going to do. It was just Brooks who was really confused and he asked to kind of go back
and speak to his family. We really wanted to facilitate that thinking really it was only going to lead to a positive end and we didn’t think he was really
looking for that reassurance to leave.
Lori Peters: Hi Chris how are you?
Chris Harrison: I am good Lori how’re you’re doing?
Lori Peters: Good so I was wondering if some of Des’s reaction was more of a shock. That she just found out that he wasn’t interested so that that
may have made her more interested and at that time she felt like he was the only one. Chris Harrison: Yes I mean look I am the last person
that’s going to tell you I figured out women or one’s emotional state at this point, but you know I do think that to a certain degree Brooks was
someone she had to chase a little bit and that definitely made him more intriguing, he wasn’t. It definitely wasn’t the bad boy syndrome where you’re
trying to change or fix the bad boy. But there was a certain I think degree of fixing him ,chasing him a guy that she knew has trouble committing
and a guy that never really gave her everything verbally and emotionally that she wanted. Whereas Drew and Chris were all over that,
Chris Harrison: and again why women wouldn’t go straight to a guy that’s giving them everything they want I will never know. But maybe you
can answer that in your column someday. But with Brooks there was definitely a little bit of that I really think so and the more time he was
breaking up with her the more she tried to profess her love and I think that is a very interesting dynamic. Again one of the things that makes this
show so beautiful is we all saw that. We all saw the warning signs ahead of time. I don’t think any of us could say we were that blown away that Brooks
pulled this considering the way he acted all along. It was a little bit of a curveball but not the biggest surprise in the world and it’s just one of those
things why would, why do women or why do men for that matter chase after something that is not perfect and not there, when you have two
relationships that are.
Lori Peters: Right, right maybe there’s some of that Groucho Marx saying ” I don’t want to belong to any club that will accept me as a
member.” Chris Harrison: (laughs) Exactly that’s why they have the velvet rope up and that’s why they have a line When nobody’s inside.
Q: I just had one question and I want to know how this affects Brooks chance of becoming the next Bachelor. Chris Harrison: Well I
mean you definitely have to wait and see what happens next week to be sure, but one way is that obviously he has trouble committing to a relationship
that would be a red flag for sure and although I think he was sincere in coming on the show he definitely has that trouble when push comes to shove of
expressing himself and really letting himself be vulnerable. That’s something that Shaun did really, really well and something that Des did really well is
they allowed themselves to really be out there and be open and it’s a weird process that if you go through it guarded and you’re thinking about what’s
America’s going to think about who is going to judge me what should I do? what’s the cool thing to do on camera it’s going to be a colossal failure.
the reason these last two seasons have been so good is just because of our bachelor and bachelorette. That have really allowed themselves to
be so open and I just don’t I don’t know if Brooks has that in him. Q: When do you think that Brooks truly made up his mind that he needed to go
Chris Harrison: I think before he went and saw his parents. I hadn’t heard that until I saw the episode the cut, because the way it works for me
is I was home when he was on the hometown and I was already flying to Antigua and I had gotten wind from one of the producers that they were
going to go back and talk to his parents again By the time I landed in Antigua a day later I heard that it had not gone very well that I was going to
have to go talk to him when he got to Antigua in another couple of days. And so I thought well this that’s not very good. I’m just finding out watching
on TV now that he was set in his mind that he was going to leave walking in there and he just needed that reassurance.
Q: you said in the promo in Monday night’s episode where will Des go from here? Is there any other teaser you can kind of give us info on?
Chris Harrison: Well I mean obviously the other big issue is you know where do we go from here what does she want to do you know are we
going to pack up our bags and be done or does she want to continue on but the main thing is you know where does that leave her. You know with
her relationships with (Drew) and Chris who absolutely know nothing about what just happened and I know she’s hurting but she also
owes it to these two guys to let them in on what’s going on and do we and again the main thing is do we call it quits and how
do these guys play into that? So those are the main, you know those are the main questions that we kind of have to answer and deal with
Q: before Monday night’s episode aired as US Weekly reported that Brooks chose to quit the show, but felt so strongly for Des that he regretted
his decision quote almost immediately unquote. I guess could you confirm whether that was the case and if so how clear did you make that afterwards?
and how would you guys have handled it if he suddenly wanted to change his mind and come back?
Chris Harrison: I think he did have regrets that I think that you could definitely see. You know and again that’s the interesting thing about
Brooks is even when I was talking to him and you know I think his mind was kind of made up when he talked to his parents. And then the more I
talked to him that’s why I had such a difficult time getting him to articulate his feelings and tell me what he was thinking. Because I he was almost
looking for a way out he was almost looking for a way to stay in. And so I don’t know if he was a 100 percent. And then once you know Des started
professing her love and telling him how she felt, you could see how broken up he was. And he was emotionally crushed and so you know as
Wishy Washy as he is you know I think there is, there is definitely regrets from here. And he said as much to us you know after he left. So you know
there’s definitely that element that he probably did regret you know saying what he said and doing what he did, so you know that’s definitely open as
well as we head into next week.
Chris Harrison: Yes I mean it’s really funny, heading into every season you I always joke with the producers. I said you know
something will happen this season that we’ve never faced before and you know you laugh I mean we’ve done this so long we’ve done what 28
something seasons in 11 years. Surely you’ve kind of seen everything but inevitably there’s a moment on the show where you run into this
situation that you’ve just never faced and you know in this time it was you know this deal with Brooks and it just led to a finale you know a final two
weeks that as producers we kind of weren’t prepared to face you know we all were kind of scrambling and trying to figure this out and one thing I love
is that that episode you saw last Monday was so different than anything we’ve ever had before. I was watching it thinking is this even a bachelor
episode? it was so organic and raw. And we just really let you see everything and I love that our viewers and the fans of our show kind of demand that
now. Of seeing behind the curtain and seeing you know really everything awards and all where even. To the point where you know they’re walking
through the Jungle and there’s bad lighting and you can’t really see them well and our cameras are scrambling and having to run around and even when
Des walked back on the dock we weren’t really ready for that either and you know one of our camera guys is literally waiting out 400 yards
into the water waist deep, holding a camera over his head to try and get a shot, because you know we’re not set up for that and we just really let
things go now where as maybe in the past early on we would have said OK stop let’s get the camera set and you know it looks a little bit more produced
and it looks prettier but now we kind of just show you everything that’s happening, because that’s really where the show is now and that’s where our
Q: Could Brooks change his mind and come back and propose to Desiree and would she take him back?
Chris Harrison: I mean of course I think I think it’s absolutely possible for him to come back in the game. She cared about him she
loved him she said as much and you saw him in tears you saw his look. So absolutely you know that’s a possibility just because of where they both
were. And you know we’ve had a situation before on a much lesser degree where I don’t know if you remember Jillian’s Season where
Reid Rosenthal came back and professed his love, but you know Jillian wasn’t really having that and she was kind of set on where she was going.
In this situation you know you know our bachelorette was there and was prepared for that and so you know she may be open to it or maybe she
learned her lesson and knows that he’s not the guy for her anymore, but you know I could, you know they wouldn’t, it wouldn’t shock me at all
for a guy like that to come back.
Q: Des’s brother for instance was such good TV.
Chris Harrison: that was kind of a separate week they would come in the following week, because we were still essentially on the exotic date
while we stayed in Antigua it was really a separate week where we would, because those exotic dates they do they take a full week and then the next
week we have. Typically you would have those last dates and then the family and all that stuff. So no her family was not in yet by the time that
Brooks had talked to her, because that was supposed to be her last overnight date.
Chris Harrison: Well maybe it’s too bad that she told her
brother that she didn’t need his help this time, and maybe if he had met everybody. Then he would have saved her the trouble of this one as well.
Q: And then do you think that this goes down in Bachelor history, because we always talk about wrong reasons, right?
Chris Harrison: Yes. for the right reasons.
Q: Do you think that the people will look back on Brooks in the way that they looked back on Brad, the oh I can’t believe he walked out on her?
or do you think people will respect this as just sort of natural process? that for whatever reason he was there for the right reasons but it didn’t pan out.
Chris Harrison: I hate to date ourselves but when (Brad) did what he did there really wasn’t any social media. So you didn’t get that instant
response, the response kind of came afterthe tabloids and the magazines came out and that it filters us out in the different way back then whereas
now you know you get that immediate reaction and I, I don’t know maybe I am wrong but I haven’t seen a lot of anger towards Brooks. Maybe you
have, but I haven’t really felt that and when he was there I wasn’t mad at him. I didn’t think God, what a jerk so that’s my opinion I just have
my own and part of it was being there and then part of it’s you watching Twitter and everything else, but I think people were disappointed and people
were upset for Des. but I don’t think that he really came off as a bad guy, maybe a guy that can’t articulate his feelings very well and makes a two minute
breakup last over two hours, but other than that I don’t think he’s a bad guy.
Q: OK and then finally the Juan Pablo train seems to have left the station.
Chris Harrison: It has left Venezuela.
Q: Is it something you guys are thinking about?
Chris Harrison: Sure yes I mean you couldn’t help thinking about Juan Pablo, but here again I go back to social media and it’s what a great thing to
have now where we get that instant feedback, but you also kind of get that it’s funny every you know Tuesday morning whoever leaves like Zach. When
Zach left the next morning I was inundated with Zach has to be the next bachelor. He’s so sweet da, da, da and then after the Tell all it was Juan Pablo
he’s the greatest and so you get a lot of that. So you have to be careful not to have this knee jerk reaction which is why we, we’re really careful about not
making a quick decision like that and make it right away. The good news is we don’t really have to because the show doesn’t start production for quite some
time after the show is done filming. So obviously Juan Pablo is a candidate Zach’s probably in the mix and again I am saying this because this is well above
my pay grade, but they we take our cues from our fans and definitely because we want to give people the show that they want to see and we want to give
them a leading man or a leading woman that they want to follow, so he’s definitely up there and there was a strong reaction to him.
Chris Harrison: But there’s also three other guys in the mix now and Brooks, Drew and Chris that may be depending on how this thing falls out you
never know how the audience is going to react to them either. So right now it’s kind of strong but things could definitely change in the next four to
END OF INTERVIEW
What do you think Des will do tonight? Do you think she will just leave or wait and see if Drew or Chris propose to her?
Let us know.